[Webteam] the Downloads section, wikis, and Altitude

[Chris Cunnington]

Tim's email: "

A couple of nitpicks about the front page after taking a look at the latest state - nitpicks are good, since it means the basics are good!

Under ?Download?
- possibly change "All-In-One bundle that works for Windows, OS X and x86 linux systems.? to "All-In-One bundle that works for most modern x86 Windows, OS X and x86 linux systems.? just to be clear that it won?t work on Windows RT (does anything?) and MIPS/Clipper/68k/PPC/etc unixes.
- turn the mentions of the Downloads page and Documentation page into links and/or mention the tabs at the top.
- change label of the Download button to Download All-in-one

Oh, whatthehell, I?m suggesting it should end up like this (modulo the fact I couldn?t actually edit the page code)-

Of course, we need to make a better downloads page than just pointing to the horribly messy ftp archive page and the documentation? oh my. I?ve been spending a fair bit of time trying to improve the doc on the swiki but there is a huge amount still needing attention. If anyone knows good ways to cajole, persuade, or even blackmail people into helping then I?m all ears. (Not literally you understand; I actually have arms and legs too.)

tim"

I've been trying to think what the disconnect is here. I think your paradigm is the Swiki with its wiki interface. This situation is not like that. You're micro managing the Download section of the homepage for something like the third time. This isn't a wiki. It's Altitude. To make the minutiae changes you want I have to futz. A lot. I have to futz with CSS to make sure things are running inline. I repeat. This is Altitude, which is similar to Seaside. Executive decision: the Downloads section is finished.

If you truly, madly, deeply need these changes to the Downloads section, please download this image and make the changes. And even if you do, these changes will warp the symmetry of the homepage with the other two sub sections.

http://www.chriscunnington.com/squeak.org.zip

I created a Downloads page at your request. Please direct your changes to that or anything of a larger granularity. Maybe think of content that the site needs and less about how it's being presented.

At any rate, Eliot's changes are next up.

Have a great weekend,
Chris
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[tim Rowledge]

Post by Chris Cunnington
I've been trying to think what the disconnect is here.

I?m a detail nitpicking perfectionist. Which is why my software, houses, motorcycles and models are
a) expensive
b) wonderful

It doesn?t work for everyone. That?s life. I?d fix it if I could.

Post by Chris Cunnington
I think your paradigm is the Swiki with its wiki interface. This situation is not like that. You're micro managing the Download section of the homepage for something like the third time. This isn't a wiki. It's Altitude. To make the minutiae changes you want I have to futz. A lot. I have to futz with CSS to make sure things are running inline.

Fair point. I downloaded the image and could certainly offer some revisions to file-in if you?re at all interested, but boy oh boy, have they managed to make like painful since the early seaside systems. That CSS stuff?.. what were W3C thinking of?

So, just to have it recorded in a findable email in the future, what do I need to do to fire up the serving in that image? So far I can?t spot anything that even gives me a clue - even the example classes have no comment. Is it running by default? What url/port-thingy? It?s 15 years since I last did any seaside stuff, so pretty much everything relating has been paged out to paper-tape by now.


tim
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[Chris Cunnington]

Post by tim Rowledge

Post by Chris Cunnington
I've been trying to think what the disconnect is here.

I?m a detail nitpicking perfectionist. Which is why my software, houses, motorcycles and models are
a) expensive
b) wonderful
It doesn?t work for everyone. That?s life. I?d fix it if I could.

I didn't mean to come off as harsh, if that was the case.

Post by tim Rowledge

Post by Chris Cunnington
I think your paradigm is the Swiki with its wiki interface. This situation is not like that. You're micro managing the Download section of the homepage for something like the third time. This isn't a wiki. It's Altitude. To make the minutiae changes you want I have to futz. A lot. I have to futz with CSS to make sure things are running inline.

Fair point. I downloaded the image and could certainly offer some revisions to file-in if you?re at all interested, but boy oh boy, have they managed to make like painful since the early seaside systems. That CSS stuff?.. what were W3C thinking of?

Well, yea and no. This isn't Seaside. The only deployment of Altitude on Earth is this one. Even Colin would say it's all a tad raw.

Post by tim Rowledge
So, just to have it recorded in a findable email in the future, what do I need to do to fire up the serving in that image?

Yea, I guess that's not obvious. I use a shell script called squeakdesktop.sh:

#!/bin/sh

/Users/chriscunnington/Desktop/Cog.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak /Users/chriscunnington/Desktop/squeak.org/Squeak4.4-12327.image /Users/chriscunnington/Desktop/squeak.org/squeaksite.st &

See, the thing is, I find loading in a file called squeaksite.st starts the image more reliably than leaving it on before I save&quit with the hope it'll come up the way it was before.

Post by tim Rowledge
So far I can?t spot anything that even gives me a clue - even the example classes have no comment. Is it running by default? What url/port-thingy? It?s 15 years since I last did any seaside stuff, so pretty much everything relating has been paged out to paper-tape by now

OK, look at:

SQSqueakApplication>>initializeLocator
SQHomePage>>renderContentOn: (then scroll down to 'Download')
SQDownloadsPage>>renderContentOn: ( this is a simple page; contrast that wit SQHomePage and adding content should become pretty clear)
SQAbstractSuperclass>>renderHeaderBarOn:
SQAbstractSuperclass>>renderStylesOn:

Those are the broad strokes.

Chris

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[tim Rowledge]

OK, I fired up, started up, connected ok and modified the text a little. Wholly kao that?s a painful way to create a website.

Honestly, given the very simple requirements we have for the base site, wouldn?t it fritter away less of people?s lives to use a simple system like RapidWeaver? I?m all for doing stuff in our own code when possible but sometimes it?s just saner to use a bolt out of the catalogue than machine your own on a lathe you built just for the job?.

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[Frank Shearar]

Post by tim Rowledge
OK, I fired up, started up, connected ok and modified the text a little. Wholly kao that?s a painful way to create a website.
Honestly, given the very simple requirements we have for the base site, wouldn?t it fritter away less of people?s lives to use a simple system like RapidWeaver? I?m all for doing stuff in our own code when possible but sometimes it?s just saner to use a bolt out of the catalogue than machine your own on a lathe you built just for the job?.

Yes, but that bolt would be
a) expensive
b) wonderful

:)

frank

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